

Full Time, All the Time
with Britt and Robyn
I'm Britt. I work full time as a mom, wife, blogger and salesperson with a fancy management title. And I'm Robyn. I work as a project manager and between corporate meetings manage to cook a home-made meal every day. This blog is about our experiences of juggling full-time work with family.
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Miss Britt and Who's the Boss?
I’ve recently started watching AMC’s series Mad Men, just three years after everyone else. I’m nothing if not cutting edge. (Also, I’m only halfway through season 3, so don’t spoil anything for me!)
For those of you who aren’t familiar with the TV show, it’s about the people who work at a Manhattan ad agency in the early 1960’s. It’s an interesting look at values, relationships and society as a whole during that time, and it makes me awfully glad I was born in 1980.
There are two women who work at the ad agency that are standout characters, and they represent, to me, the two different approaches that women take to working in a “man’s world”. While we could debate all day about how many offices are run by men today, there is no doubt that corporate America was still very much a man’s world in 1960, and watching how these two women navigate that landscape is fascinating.
First is Joan. Joan is a beautiful redhead and at the top of the typing pool food chain. Technically, she says, she’s the office manager. Joan embraces her sexuality and femininity and makes herself invaluable as the office caretaker. She knows where the bodies are buried, so to speak, and understands the importance of discretion.
On the other end of the spectrum is Peggy. Peggy starts out as a secretary and works her way up to an office with her name on the door. She climbs up through the ranks by trying to make men forget that she’s a woman in order to prove that she’s just as talented as her male counterparts.
I’ve been thinking of the dichotomy of these two women for weeks and how much of the dances they do continues today. Especially for women, like me, who work in male dominated industries.
As I thought about these two women, I considered the Peggys and Joans I’d worked with over the last several years.
When I worked at a radio station, our business manager was very much a Joan. She was the mother of the office and kept everything running, but she had a way of always making the men in our office feel like they were in charge, even as she handed them their paychecks.
And then there was me. I was the only female account executive. I took clients to bars and listened to my sales managers tell horribly sexist jokes. Once in a while I would remind them that I was, in fact, a girl, and they would laugh and punch me in the arm and assure me that I was one of the boys. I rarely brought up my children and I never discussed personal relationships in a way that would make me seem weak or overly feminine, two things that were synonymous to most of the men I worked with.
I was, and have been at many times in my career, a Peggy.
As I looked back on those days at the station and the men and women I worked with then, I realized that over the years I have morphed into someone who resembles a little of Peggy and a little of Joan - but mostly, a lot of Britt.
I’m a woman. I have children. I have great ideas and the skills to execute them. I can run a meeting and plan a holiday party. I work with a lot of men and have learned to be taken seriously without relying on any gender roles or stereotypes.
If you’ve always worked primarily with women, this idea may seem a little silly to you. But I assure you, the Peggy vs. Joan phenomenon is still very much alive in fields that are predominantly male.
There is a great scene in Season 2 of Mad Men between Peggy and a woman named Bobby Barret. Bobby tells Peggy, “You’ll never be a man, no matter how hard you try. But there’s great power in being a woman… when it’s done right.”
I couldn’t agree more.
Are you a Peggy or a Joan?
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I love this post - it really is very true. Having worked with many different types of women at many different jobs, just like the Marilyn/Jackie dichotomy that they discuss in the show, the Joan/Peggy one is very real. And in the workplace, you are definitely a Britt.
Avitable | December 2nd, 2009 at 6:07 am
I am moving from glorified assistant to true-blue copywriter at the agency at which I work - so I am literally “pulling a Peggy Olsen.”
But then again I am a fiery redhead with an AWESOME rack. So there’s that.
Jenn | December 2nd, 2009 at 7:50 am
i’m totally a blending of the two. and i like it that way!
hello haha narf | December 2nd, 2009 at 8:07 am
I’m more Peggy with an occassional jolt of Joan, myself. I work in a very male dominated industry (locally, I am one of about five women in my position in the industry, not just my company, but the area’s-worth of industry!), and somehow, the fact that I’m feminine, a wife and mother, doesn’t always work its way into the picture. Took a lot of work to get here.
CV | December 2nd, 2009 at 8:50 am
I’m myself. I am not by nature overpoweringly feminine, nor do I take any steps to act more like a man (who would want to). I do tend to blend into the scenery, but somehow I get ahead. I’ve had some really good mentors who helped accentuate the positive without forcing me to fake who I was. Some of these mentors were male, some were female. So I guess I’m right in-between. Or off the radar.
SKL | December 2nd, 2009 at 9:27 am
I can’t really say 100% which one I am. I dress very feminine and am almost always in high heels and I highly doubt that any of the guys forget that I am a women but I would never cross the professional line. I make sure to let guys that I work with, even customers, think that they are in charge - I get get them to go my way easier and am indeed in charge of any decisions made. However, growing up almost all of my friends were men. So I will sit and laugh and listen to any and all disgusting jokes and stories with any guy. I will chow down on pizza and beer. And, to my bosses surprise, I have no qualms about climbing through a window or scaling a fence when faced with a key that doesn’t work properly - even in my heels (which I have had to do on several occasions). Being a female sure is fun!
Oceans Mom | December 4th, 2009 at 9:46 am
I’m just me, maybe a combination of both, but not inherently either one. I’m an adrenaline junkie and a Type A through and through, so I’m simply well suited for my job. I’m known as wife and mother and my co-workers ask after my family all of the time, but it’s never been to my deteriment…
And when I need to be a drill sergeant, no one questions that either.
Phe | December 6th, 2009 at 7:49 am
I think it is not a dichotomy, but that one must be flexible and use whatever “tools” one has at one’s disposal. I too, work in a male-rich field. 18% women, according to the statistics I saw last week from our HR department. So I’m not imagining things.
But what I mean is that some days I play mom. Some days I play one of the boys, other days I use femininity as needed. I adapt to the situation and what I sense will get the job done. I will change tactics midstream if needed too. In some ways, I feel lucky to be female and have more tools at my disposal, emotional, physical and intellectual!
In the earlier years of my career, I definitely played down anything feminine and stuck to the “one of the boys” philosophies. But as I’ve gotten older and more settled in my career and others are more aware of my capabilities, I’ve felt more free to embrace some feminine aspects of my personality.
Just my thoughts.
spacegeek | December 6th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
I just had a funny thought. If this were a “working dad” website, what would this question look like and what would the answers look like? And how would it be taken by us females?
SKL | December 7th, 2009 at 10:24 am