

Work It, Dad!
with Avi Spivack
Hi, I'm Avi, and I try to put the work and the dad together, with mild success. This is all about trying to give you a view from what it looks like on the dad-man's side of the world, and I hope you find my ruminations humorous because I try not to take myself too seriously.
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Nataly here at Work it, Mom! launched a very intriguing discussion on the topic of “hiding” your motherhood (and fatherhood) in the workplace, as well as whether working mothers (and fathers) should be entitled to additional flexibility with their jobs. Charlene over at JobMom even posed a direct question back to both Nataly and myself:
How many dads are hiding their fatherhood at work?
I will start my response with a related anecdote: I work in a high-octane/start-up/techie environment. We are knowingly under-staffed, and it was recently and excitedly announced that we would be hiring a new woman into our group; in our team meeting, everyone was happy. A shocking moment came when I asked a (childless) colleague - who had interviewed this new employee - what she thought of the incoming woman, and she said: “She talked about her kid too much. I didn’t want to know about her family, I just wanted to know if she could do this job.”
Wow.
The colleague that said this knew that I have a young daughter, but I am certain she felt that because I am “just” the Dad, I would perhaps not be offended by this reaction, which implies work and family don’t mix. But I was royally surprised by her response and I definitely felt sympathy for my incoming colleague who may likely have to fight for flexibility - both with management as well as with the impressions of her colleagues - so she can manage her work/life juggling act with her toddler son.
To directly answer Charlene’s question: I have never hidden the fact that I am a father at my job; in fact, I have done the opposite. I not only pursued jobs where I knew management had kids; I also stated from day one that I plan to be highly involved in my daughter’s life, stay home with her when she is sick, and leave early as necessary. If my company is unwilling to allow me this flexibility, I will find another company that respects my priorities. And so far, it’s worked out - I can work from home as needed and no one has objected to my somewhat flexible schedule. The caveat, of course, is what Nataly pointed out: I think you must be a well-regarded employee and that you must “earn” workplace respect before you can truly embrace a more flexible schedule. I work with a number of parents, and when I see emails from them saying they will be at home with their sick children or need to leave early to pick them up from school, I completely relate. But I can almost hear the grunts, as some colleagues say “He/she is going to be out again“?
I do think there frequently exists an unspoken disdain, or at least undercurrent of tension, between childless workers and parent-workers, and I can also understand that side: Why does he/she get to skip work again, just because he/she has a child? And for employers, it’s very difficult to manage this co-existence of workers. But beyond that, I also believe that because I am the Dad and not the Mom, I doubt myself less and have much less of a problem taking whatever time I need.
I still wonder what my female colleague would have said about me, had I spoken of my daughter in my interview - would she think I would be a less stellar employee simply because I wanted to open up about my family?
More to come on this topic, for sure, but please sound off.
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I recently saw a question posed whether there was still a double standard at work. A dad brings a new baby into work and he’s seen as a great dad, a mom does it and people think “oh great, now she her work will slack off.” I just hope involved dads like you bring the reputation of working moms up rather than the other way around. I also find that dads with working wives are very understanding vs dads who’s wives stay home.
Nicole/wksocmom | June 1st, 2007 at 6:33 am
I think — as I commented on Nataly’s original post — that there’s an issue of time/place here, too. No one should be spending a job interview going on and on about their kid. Wrong time and place.
That said, yes, I think there is absolutely the perception that fatherhood won’t hinder an employee the way motherhood will. I’ll even go so far as to say I suspect that when men take off work to care for a sick child, say, they’re seen as admirable and heroic as opposed to when women do the same thing and everyone rolls their eyes and whispers about how gee, that kid seems to be sick an awful lot.
Mir | June 2nd, 2007 at 2:50 am
To both Nicole and Mir - yes, agreed, and yes another example of why it’s certainly more challenging to be a woman/mother, especially in the workplace. I fully agree with the fact that I am regarded as heroic by my colleagues, but I will say that I do - on occasion - get some attitude from single colleagues when I don’t show up to the office every day. Of course this all begs the question: is there a shift in this mentality or is it just ingrained in our cultural way of thinking about mothers and fathers, roles and responsibilities?
Avi | June 3rd, 2007 at 1:04 am
Here is a different angle on this issue. We were having dinner with our friends (a couple) this weekend. My friend and I are both expecting our first child in November. We are very excited and freaked out at the same time. We spent a good part of the evening talking about our anticipation of having a child. My husband turns to my friend’s husband and says: “So – have you told at the office that you guys are pregnant?” He looks at us and says: “No, I don’t want to publicize this as it’ll give my employer more leverage against me. They would think that now I really need this job and therefore don’t have to pay me as much to keep me”. I was stunned. My husband just nodded, fully aware that that’s the way things have to be played out in the corporate world. And it’s easy to say – well, if that’s how your employer thinks, maybe you should go elsewhere. However, our friend works for a great firm and many would kill to have his job.
Victoria | June 4th, 2007 at 5:22 pm
This is indeed the other angle. I happen to work in a relatively non-corporate, smallish company, which claims to be “family-friendly” (whatever that really means). But knowing that my boss and some more senior folks have children means that they, too, are engaged in some level of parenthood. It seems like it really might depend on the employer, but in my case, I have always ensured that my employer is cool with my proposed level of parental involvement before starting; and yes, things do change, but you have to draw the line somewhere in order to try and achieve the level of family balance you want.
Avi Spivack | June 4th, 2007 at 6:12 pm
hi avi - thanks for addressing my question in your post. it’s always refreshing to hear a working dad’s take on this topic. the comment made by that female employee to you doesn’t surprise me at all!
i do agree with Mir’s comment about dad’s involvement with the kids being perceived as “admirable,” whereas with a mom, it’s a hindrance.
wonder how long it will take to change that attitude, and i wonder how hard we’ll have to work to do so…
charlene/jobmom | June 4th, 2007 at 9:31 pm
Thank you, Charlene; in retrospect, it all does make sense, but it’s unfortunate. Stay tuned as I ask some other working dads out there how they manage it all and what their perspective is.
Avi Spivack | June 5th, 2007 at 11:30 pm