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I waited a few days before writing about Lisa Belkin’s latest article on the subject of women in the workplace. Not because I didn’t think it was an interesting article but because I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be yet another voice out there repeating the sad, sad truth that many women already know: As women, we face a double standard in the workplace. If we’re nice, we’re perceived as weak or less competent; if we’re assertive, we’re bitchy or arrogant.
The article sites several studies, conducted in different countries, that show this is the case. This quote make the point too well:
“Women who act in ways that are consistent with gender stereotypes — defined as focusing “on work relationships†and expressing “concern for other people’s perspectives†— are considered less competent. But if they act in ways that are seen as more “male†— like “act assertively, focus on work task, display ambition†— they are seen as “too tough†and “unfeminine.â€
I hate reading these findings because I know they are true. I’ve lived them, I’ve been labeled bitchy for being assertive, and I’ve been labeled weak for seeking a team consensus. But I don’t want to write about this or analyze it. It’s not fair. It’s a double standard.
The parts in the article that I did find interesting were the few studies that focused on how men and women negotiate. Here’s a good example:
“[A researcher] recruited volunteers to play Boggle and told them beforehand that they would receive $2 to $10 for their time. When it came time for payment, each participant was given $3 and asked if that was enough. Men asked for more money at eight times the rate of women. In a second round of testing, where participants were told directly that the sum was negotiable, 50 percent of women asked for more money, but that still did not compare with 83 percent of men.”
At first read, my reaction is to say, OK, women need to step it up and get more assertive about negotiating. I’ll be the first to admit that even after 10 years in the business world, and five of those years in an area of finance that required a lot of negotiating, it’s not a skill I am great at and not something I enjoy doing. I know many women who are strong, confident, and extremely capable, but they hate negotiating and are not great at it.
But then I remembered another article I recently read, in which the same researcher who conducted the Boggle study found that one of the key reasons for why women don’t negotiate for higher salaries is because it may negatively impact their careers:
“What we found across all the studies is men were always less willing to work with a woman who had attempted to negotiate than with a woman who did not…They always preferred to work with a woman who stayed mum. But it made no difference to the men whether a guy had chosen to negotiate or not.”
We can’t win. If we don’t negotiate, we’re weak, not good leaders, and don’t make as much as men. If we do, we’re perceived as too aggressive and we might hurt our careers later on. What’s a girl to do?
I’d love to hear your thoughts on this issue. Why do you think women negotiate less than men? Do we fear the way we will be perceived or do we lack inner confidence to ask for more and believe that we deserve more? Has your career been positively or negatively affected when you negotiated for something?
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I think a lot depends on the company culture. Some companies are all about the relationships and treating each other with respect (I swear 50% of our emails are ‘thanks!’). Others are all about getting the job done. I think you have to take those studies and really look at which apply to your company. Does your company value feedback and teamwork? Then they will see that attribute as a strength and not a weakness. Do they value ambition and ‘making things happen’? Then they will likely value a woman who might be seen as bitchy elsewhere.
As much as these studies seem contradictory, a lot of times company cultures tend to lean more in one direction than the other. Also it can then change within the department depending on the leadership of that department or group. I have found it’s always more successful to tailor your behavior to what other people expect than to try to change them. And if what they expect is not something you are willing to do, you need to look for a new job! Harsh but true…
Kate | November 5th, 2007 at 10:35 am
I smiled a sad smile when I saw this post, Nataly. You waited a few days to write about this article. I didn’t even READ it until last night because I was putting it off. This sort of thing is such a downer to read about, huh? I mean, where is the good news?! This story reminded me of a study I read about in college. It was about a (I think, Finnish) study on tv-watching habits. I think it was titled “The TV Hierarchy.” The finding was that whatever women liked to watch on tv was considered fluff (eg. day soaps) while whatever men liked to watch was considered more valuable. It compares to this study on women in the workplace in that in a sense it was almost irrelevant what women did or how they behaved — whatever was considered “feminine” was inevitably less respected. This study has stuck in my memory all these years ’cause it was just so darn depressing. So: how do we get out of this situation? Oddly, I think our salvation (at least in developed world countries like the US) may come in the form of A) large companies/government jobs which have more structured rules and regulations re. advancement and B) women moving increasingly into working from home and starting their own small businesses. As for your question on why women negotiate less, I think it’s a tangle of many intertwining factors: culture, confidence, expectations etc. Maybe this is something girls need coaching on from a young age? Perhaps that’s how we start turning it around.
Diane | November 5th, 2007 at 11:01 am
I think it’s a perception thing. I think many women are afraid of being perceived as a B—* or not liked if they negotiate. I know I, for one, over-explain when I need to take time off, whereas men just say, “Have an appt. In at 10 a.m.” Short and simple. It’s hard and, honestly, scary to get past these ingrained tendencies. I think the only way to do it is to be aware of what we’re doing and try to consciously change our approach when we think it will benefit us (such as in salary negotiations). I have to say that I had a father who brought me up to believe I could do anything I set my mind to and I think I’m pretty assertive. I have found now that I’m in the career world that I’m pretty good at self-promotion, but I watch my female friends who doubt themselves and can see it even in their demeanor. I wonder if their insecurity comes across in body language during interviews? I go in thinking, “I’m worth it and I can do this job!” It pains me to see my friends unwilling to ask for more money or more time off because they don’t think they are worth it. The reality is that if they never ask, they’ll never know.
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