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Work-life balance, the marriage edition

Categories: Balancing Act, Relationships & Marriage, Your life

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couple-moving.jpgI had lunch with a friend recently whose husband has been offered an amazing job… abroad. They have both worked abroad before and loved it, but this was before they had two kids. My friend had a super successful career in business before she took a bit of time off to be a mom, but has spent the last few years starting up a business of her own. It was just starting to pick up steam when this awesome job offer for her husband came through.

The decision to uproot your family and move a thousand miles away is never easy when you have kids (hey, we moved from New York to Boston and a year later, I am still recovering.) So much goes into consideration — living arrangements, schools, activities, work, etc. But when moving involves one spouse taking a dream job and another potentially slowing down her own career or business, it’s much more complicated. When I was in college my parents moved so that my father could join a promising company; this involved my mom, who is a piano teacher, starting from scratch in terms of building up her practice, finding new students, and establishing her reputation. I knew it was a tough decision for them and as I’ve been talking to my friend about her situation, I’ve secretly been thanking my stars that my husband and I have not yet faced this choice.

How do you decide that one spouse or partner’s career should go on the backburner while the other pursues a great opportunity? Veronica recently wrote about this in the context of Michelle Obama stepping back from her job to help her husband with his presidential campaign and I am sure many working moms have faced a situation where their partner’s career had to take precedence. To be honest, the sheer emotional complexity of such a decision is overwhelming to me (and I am not even making it!) If my friend says to her husband that she doesn’t want to give up on her business and has to remain where they are to grow it, would he feel resentful? And what if they do move and she is unhappy, how would he feel?

A few jobs ago and before my daughter was born, one of my clients was a very successful woman in her 50s. We went to lunch one day and I started talking about wanting to have kids. She put down her fork, gave me a listen-seriously-I-am-going-to-give-you-precious-life-perspective look and told me that she didnt’ think a woman can handle a demanding career, kids, and a successful marriage. “I never had kids,” she said, “because I knew that there was no way to do all three — to be a mom, successful career woman, and wife. Yes, I often regret not being a mom, but I was realistic about what I could do in life and I knew I couldn’t have it all.”

I’ll never forget that conversation and it often comes back, like it did when I was listening to my friend talk through the choices she and her husband are facing. I could see that she was torn — she loves her husband and wants him to pursue this opportunity, but she is also excited about her business and what she could do with it. She talked a lot about the many kid-related issues the move would entail, but I got a sense that really it came down to prioritizing either her husband’s career opportunity or her own.

I know I am raising a BIG topic, one that deserves a hundred blog posts instead of one, but I’m eager to hear your thoughts on trying to balance your own career and life choices with those of your partner or husband. Have you had to put your career on the back-burner so that your partner could pursue an opportunity or vice versa? Was this a difficult decision? And since we’re going for BIG topics here, do you think it’s possible to have a demanding career, be a mom and have a great relationship?

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  • Wow. I’ve seen PhD dissertations with more finely scoped topics*. :)

    Do I think it’s possible to have a demanding career, be a mom (I assume you mean a mom you’re proud of being, as opposed to a child-producer) and have a great relationship? Of course it’s possible. People do it. You’re doing it right now, right?

    What I think you’re really asking, though, with this question is whether it’s possible to GUARANTEE you’ll be able to handle a demanding career, being a good mom and having a great relationship. To which I say no, it’s not possible. Life doesn’t work that way.

    Everybody faces pitfalls in every one of those areas. Couples reach fundamental impasses where compromise isn’t possible (he wants two kids, she wants three — find me a compromise there). Kids get diagnosed with life-changing conditions. Jobs get moved to [insert place you wouldn't be willing to live -- for me it's New York City or LA]. There’s no way to guarantee that some deal-breaker isn’t going to come along and mess up one or more of these areas of your life.

    Does that mean it’s hopeless to try to have it “all”? Maybe, maybe not. Just like anything else, I think it depends on how badly you want it. I have chosen motherhood and couplehood over careerhood. I value the first two enough more than the last one that it has been easy to prioritize things that way. Do I sometimes wish I had a job that really engaged me intellectually and about which I had great passion? Of course. But when I weigh all the costs and benefits, I prefer a job that gives me the flexibility to take the morning off if my kid is going on a field trip.

    I think it is unrealistic to expect that those things are never going to conflict with each other. Sometimes when the chips are down, you’re going to have to choose whether to put the finishing touches on that big report or show your support for your partner at his company awards ceremony. I think that the more equal your priorities, the more of these decisions are going to require lots of thought and the more wrenching it will be to make them. For some people maybe it’s easier to make one big gut-wrenching decision up front (”I’m not having children”) than to have to make a million little ones every week (”Shall I iron my blouse for work tomorrow or make something homemade for snack day?”). For some people, the cost of making the little decisions is well worth the rewards of having a demanding career, motherhood and a great relationship.

    And just like most decisions, many people will change course many times over the course of their lives. A die-hard career woman might find, when she has children, that her job isn’t as compelling to her as it once was. Someone in your friend’s situation could choose her new business over her marriage (not that I’m suggesting that as a solution for her!). A woman who’s aching for kids could delay having them while her partner establishes a career. Things change.

    So if you really want all three, I think there’s no reason to start off with the assumption that you can’t have all three. I just think it’s smart to go into it knowing that maybe sometime something will have to give.

    *(There are probably also PhD dissertations that are SHORTER than my long-ass answer. Sorry.)

    —-
    Jan — thank you for such a thoughtful response — I think it’s great perspective and one that has given me, personally, some new ideas. And yes, this is a HUGE topic, and my thesis advisor in college would be very unhappy with me for tackling something so big in scope:), but I figured that we should just jump into it here.
    –Nataly

    Jan  |  April 30th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

  • I’ve come across this situation in my own career several times. First was to keep my job but move to Dallas. Second came a big promotion but move to Toronto. Third was a fast track position but move to Chicago. Recently, there was the opportunity for heading on assignment to China for 2 years. My career head is always, “Yeah! I’m good! Let’s go for it!”

    Reality check: My husband is not going to be happy taking a back seat. He doesn’t want to be a SAHD and has his own career interests. Our marriage works when we are each equal in our careers and responsibilities to the family. I feel that, yes, I have at this point missed my opportunity in corporate life to push past the glass ceiling. But, I still have a successful career and a great family.

    At almost 40, with twenty years of working and career as a Mom, I never found I could have it all. Something always had to give and I’d rather that be the house work ( I hate house work!) and a VP title than my family. I have NO regrets or disappointments.

    Some say that I do have it all, and how do I do it? It’s all an illusion. Mostly, I accept my decisions and make sure that I know what is important to me and my family. Do I still dream about sitting in the boardroom? Of course! Do I regret that I probably never will, no.

    Would I give up my career for my husband if he had a fabulous opportunity? I would. But, I don’t resent him for not doing the same for me. His circumstances are different because of the limited places he can be for his work. Leaving Boston and going elsewhere (especially to places I was offered) meant giving up his career. I could work anywhere. That is a lot to ask of him. He wouldn’t be happy in the long run.

    This is a tough topic. I’m as interested to hear what others have experienced too. I also wonder what does “having it all” mean to everyone?

    Michele  |  May 1st, 2008 at 6:33 am

  • My husband is an editor at a major newspaper. I work at a flexible, comfortable state government job. It’s been a wonderful job to have with two small children, but most days it is less than satisfying. My husband works long, odd hours and we agreed that I would stay at this job so that I would be accessible to the children. My husband earns the better salary and while I don’t have any illusions of “having it all”, I try to keep in mind through the hard days that I have a lot more than some people.

    Sharon  |  May 1st, 2008 at 7:18 am

  • Wow. That is very much a difficult situation. A predicament. I can’t begin to give advice because I’ve never had to make this kind of decision. I don’t know what I’d do. So much to consider.

    I’d have to weigh the pros and cons of each choice. Personally, I think of my husband and I as a team and if the opportunity is in the best interest of the team then it may be worth taking. I think when we separate it into “my career vs. your career” it’s difficult to be rational. (Just my opinion, of course.)

    Would it be beneficial for her husband to move abroad first and see if this is what he wants to do before uprooting the family? I don’t know if that’s an option or would cause more of a financial burden.

    dana  |  May 1st, 2008 at 12:45 pm

  • No, I worked 2 jobs while my husband was in school. Now he has a great job and I stay home with the kids. I did not finish my college education. I put my life on hold. From my point of view, you need to be an educated women and not put your life on hold. I made a big mistake! You need your education to make a good salary and to support your kids if something goes wrong along the way!

    Beth  |  May 1st, 2008 at 1:09 pm

  • Ours was a bit more of a financial decision. I didn’t have to work if I didn’t want to, but at any time, if I wanted to bust my ass and be the breadwinner and have all the responsibilities that go with it, my husband would happily take a backseat. Of course, I didn’t want that either, so I quit my job and now am a lot happier. However, that doesn’t work for everyone. I think it’s possible for there to be 2 careers in one household, but one spouse’s job has to be more flexible than the other and that spouse really has to give up more.

    selfmademom  |  May 1st, 2008 at 2:09 pm

  • This is such an important issue. Here in Australia we recently had this dynamic played out on the nation’s stage for all to see prior to the country’s election,as the potential alternative Prime Minister and his wife and partner had to re-negotiate their professional lives. For you the many readers from outside Australia, I’m going to explain what happened here.
    Therese Rein, wife and partner of the now Prime Minister, and mother of their children, had a life of her own, independent of his/theirs. There had never been a situation like this in Australian political history before. She was a highly successful, entrepreneurial women, running an award winning global recruitment business, Ingeus. She was earning more money than him many times over. Her business, however, tendered for, and won, Australian government contracts to find work for unemployed people in Australia. Should her husband, Kevin Rudd, become the leader of the government following the election, there was seen to be a conflict of interest. In the months leading up to the election, they considered various ways to manage this, seeking legal and professional advice, with each consideration pursued, examined and critiqued very publicly by the nation’s media. The final outcome was that, willingly but with much sadness, she sold her Australian interests in her company.
    Many women all over the country could identify with this dilemma, albeit not at this high powered level. So many couples today have highly successful individual careers and businesses. The question of whose takes priority is challenging and difficult for couples, when an opportunity for one to advance significantly impacts on the other’s work. Most of us are able to negotiate that privately, but the then alternative Prime Minister and his wife had to do it under public scrutiny.
    For me, this was just such an important process to witness, even though I was not privy to how Kevin Rudd and Therese Rein reached their decision. There were some women who used what happened to argue that this is just another case of women still having to be subservient to men and their careers, that we haven’t advanced far at all when it is the woman who has to give up her career or business for the man. For me, it was much more. To take this process, often so invisible and given so little import, to the nation’s stage was extremely powerful and significant. There was nothing to suggest that Therese Rein was being subservient to her husband. On the contrary, there was every evidence of a couple who respected each other’s needs and aspirations and who had, for all their married lives together, made decisions about whose needs and aspirations took priority on each occasion an issue arose. I doubt she has achieved the success she has – and stayed happily married – without Kevin Rudd putting his aspirations and needs second to hers on occasions.
    Women and men can, and need to, negotiate important issues in their lives, taking into consideration each other’s needs and aspirations, if they learn how. I have written about this in a blog - Women and Their Partners Negotiating Work/Family Balance - outlining a way that this can be done.
    We also have a Prime Minister’s wife who chooses to keep her own name and continue to work. I hope no one is going to draw the inference from this that I am advocating all women “must” keep their own name and should all work. I didn’t keep my own name and I did stay home with my children until they commenced school. What Therese Rein is doing, as Australia’s First Lady, however, is giving legitimacy and value to something about which many women are made to feel guilty. To those women who want to work, who want to be successful, who want to be a mother and who want to maintain their individuality while being happily married, she is an example of how to do it.

    Maree Harris  |  May 1st, 2008 at 11:04 pm

  • I did. We actually did the complete opposite of you and moved from Boston to the Tri State area. It has been two years and I am still recovering - so it might take a bit more - though I am quite certain that I will never recover completely. I had recently secured a great position, gotten my Social Work licensure and was on my way to accumulating hours and training for the next step in my career plan when we got the opportunity of a lifetime for my spouse. I looked at it this way - without his support (emotional, physical, and monetary) I could not have gotten my Master’s degree. After all the sacrifices he made for my career, it was simply his turn and my turn to do the supporting. I didn’t even hesitate, even though it meant I would not be able to move to a similar position in my new state due to licensing regulations. We discovered not long thereafter that though the surprise of the job opp seemed like the biggest news of the year for us, a baby was on the way and poof - it just clicked. I would not say my career has recovered - simply that it has adjusted to make room for both a baby and new life plan. We still talk about moving back to Boston someday down the road, we miss it like crazy after spending time with fam and friends back home, we have a 5 year plan, but planning can only get you so far. I see this as a time in my life to continue my career (albeit at a slower pace) explore other interests, spend time with my daughter, and check my spouse’s company’s HR website for Boston jobs on a monthly basis. In all seriousness… I often think that making the decision to move will forever change things and we have come to grips with the fact that even if did move back things would never be as we left them. they never are. All we can do - all any of us can do is take it one day at a time and try to make the decisions that we feel are best with the information we are given. Best of luck to your friend!

    McMomma  |  May 2nd, 2008 at 7:40 pm

  • I think Jan makes an excellent point as do all of you. My example is one of what happens when you don’t compromise. My husband has long dreamed of entering the medical field. When the opp presented itself for him to reenter school in NYC, I was new mother to our third child and not on board to pick up and leave. I couldn’t wrap my mind around moving to a city that was so expensive. Fast forward three years, my husband now spends most of his time in NYC and the children and I live in GA. If I had it to do again, I would have gone with him, no questions asked.

    Almond  |  May 19th, 2008 at 7:35 pm

  • Ditto to everything everyone has already said. It basically boils down to what you think is best for your family. It might be useful to discuss as a couple what the goals for the family are and then make decisions that will help the family to achieve those goals. Sometimes, the thing that is hardest is what benefits us in the long run.

    Lynette  |  May 21st, 2008 at 11:18 pm

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