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The other day I got an email from a woman who recently graduated from my alma mater. She found my contact info through the alumni database and was asking if I could spend a few minutes talking with her about my career path. Of course I said yes — yes, I want to help, but who doesn’t like to feel like Miss Smarty Pants for a while?
We’d scheduled a call and I started thinking about things I wanted to make sure to tell her. Don’t go into venture capital before having some operating experience. Consulting is a great way to learn how to process information quickly and to become a whiz with financial spreadsheets, but don’t stay for too long. If you’re thinking of joining a start-up do your homework on the team (they should be smart, hardworking, and fun to spend 18 hours a day with) and the financial plan for the company.
And then I started to think about all the things I wanted to make sure to NOT tell her, the cliche career advice I often got when I graduated from college, or truly bad career advice, that I also got and in most cases didn’t realise was bad until years later. I thought I’d share some of it with you and see what you think — is it bad advice and what other horrible career advice have you received?
1. As a woman, you will have to work harder than guys to get the same recognition at work.
Couldn’t be more wrong. Women don’t get enough recognition — as raises or promotions — at work not because we don’t work hard enough but because we don’t ask enough, promote ourselves enough, and negotiate well enough. It took me a LONG time to understand this and in the process I put in more than my share of 18-hour days working my butt off, definitely harder than the guys. The raises and promotions didn’t come just because of my hard work. Sure, I was recognized for it and did receive some raises, but in more than one case I know I was making less than men who did the same work. The only way I overcame this was to actually go in, show my boss everything I was doing, and demand — yes, demand — that I be paid more.
2. Don’t job hop — it shows that you can’t decide on a career and are not dedicated.
This is decent advice but only in the later stages of your career. When you’re just out of college (which is when someone said this to me) I think it’s essential to job hop, to figure out what you’re truly interested in, what you can do for many hours a day without being miserable. Actually, I think you should job hop at any point in your career if you are not satisfied with what you’re doing. But being satisfied means different things to different people at different times in their life — sometimes you need to stick it out at a job you hate because you need the money or the experience for that next great gig and at other times you can deal with low pay and annoying colleagues because you’re so passionate about what you’re doing.
3. Do what you love and money will follow.
I’m sorry but I truly hate this piece of advice, even if it works out for some people. There are many jobs out there which you can love with all your might but that don’t pay as well as you might need or want. A friend of mine is a teacher. She absolutely loves what she does, daily frustrations, misbehaving students, and too much administrative crap notwithstanding. But she complains all the time about how little money teachers make and how she can’t afford to buy her own place in the area where she teaches. This is just one example, there are many, many more.
For example, I love to write. I don’t know why, English isn’t even my first language, but perhaps because I had to fight so hard to get good at it I love to express myself in it. But I know — because I’ve written a book and know many awesome freelance writers a 10000 times more talented than me who constantly struggle financially — that if I chose to be a writer full-time money (or enough money for our family, my being a breadwinner mom and all) would certainly not follow.
I don’t believe in being miserable at work — if you are, you need to find a way to make a change. But I also believe in the idea that for 99% of us without trust funds, any choice of a career involves some consideration of what compensation (which does not always mean monetary, and in the case of my teacher friend, includes great benefits) comes with it.
OK, your turn: Share your least favorite piece of career advice in the comments.
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OMG! I *loathe* that “do what you love and the money will follow” trope. Nothing could be farther from the truth. That’s advice that’s suited to retirees with savings who now have time on their hands to do something soul-satisfying. Any recent college grad who has tried to follow that “advice” has ended up either hungry with five roommates and no health insurance, or living back at home again. Talk about impractical!
I think “Do something you’re good at and you enjoy reasonably well, and you’ll be successful enough to find fulfillment either through work or other outside interests or both.” Doesn’t really fit on a coffee mug though.
Groovymarlin | September 15th, 2008 at 10:28 am
Excellent advice!
I think that last bit should be changed to “Don’t forget to do what you love, in addition to what you have to do to make a living, and if the two happen to be the same, then you’re one of the lucky ones.”
My favorite bit of real advice: “Work to live, don’t live to work.”
My least-favorite bit of advice: “Self-promotion makes you seem arrogant, so never toot your own horn.” I can see the point but, really, if you don’t toot your own horn from time to time, who will?
Lylah | September 15th, 2008 at 11:14 am
Worst advice ever: I had a high school physics teacher tell us not to waste money on Ivy League schools b/c here in the midwest, that caliber of degree isn’t necessary. I would argue that an Ivy League degree gets you admission to a club that is definitely worth the price tag for the future opportunities it offers. Besides, a Harvard transfer can always go to State U, but not so easy the other way around. . .
ajb | September 15th, 2008 at 11:42 am
I was told not to be a teacher because of the pay(and listened). It turns out the teachers I know teach in school districts that between benefits and pay are actually excellent employers for those who love teaching and want to have a family. I actually do teach now on contract, but often wonder what my life would be like if I had been a grade school teacher full time. So, if you want to be a teacher and someone tells you not to becasue of pay, I would recommend looking at the union contracts of the school districts you are likely to end up teaching in. Because I believe the compensation to be quite good.
Lindsay | September 15th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Amen on #3. My form of that advice came as a college, student, though, when I was told to major in something I loved and not worry about what kind of a job I could do with the degree.
I got a degree in math, because I loved it, and then what? No teaching credential. What the f–heck do you do with a math degree?
I still don’t know, and seven years later (after an impressive career in various administrative jobs), I went back and got another degree, this time with a career in mind. Should have done that the first time. Not that typing for people in forty-seven-million different industries wasn’t terribly rewarding, personally and financially.
Now I tell college students that even if (maybe especially if) they don’t know what they want to do with their lives, they should at least learn to type.
Funny. Nobody from my alma mater ever calls me. I wonder if there’s a correlation.
Jan | September 15th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
I agree with one and two.
I am 26 and I still don’t know what I want to do with the rest of my life. I want to start businesses. Yep that’s what I really want to do. I guess I know now.
Vera Babayeva | September 15th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
I agree with all three as bad advice whole-heartedly. Especially working harder to get ahead when really it’s all about asking for recognition and advancement. I think I read in a book somewhere that “the answer is always no if you don’t ask” and I’ve used this advice on everything from asking for promotions to questions around personal issues. Never sell yourself short by assuming the answer is NO.
Brenda | September 16th, 2008 at 10:58 am